tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post6219389154348997121..comments2023-08-11T15:08:18.696+01:00Comments on Miss Wagstaff Presents: Christopher Glamorganshire: What a price to pay for freedom of speechMiss Wagstaffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02989441538649127324noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post-70491090472260265482008-07-15T22:39:00.000+01:002008-07-15T22:39:00.000+01:00VM>"So u think Normal Mouth is a civil servant who...VM><BR/>"So u think Normal Mouth is a civil servant who has jumped in case he gets sacked."<BR/><BR/>Normal Mouth stated in his closing post:<BR/><BR/>"Contrary to such innuendo I am not in breach of any guidelines relating to my employment, nor am I a civil servant. In fact, I have explicitly gained written approval from my employer to maintain both this blog and my Golwg column. What is clear, however, is that it is no longer tenable for me to continue to blog without the question of who I am persistently clouding what I say. I take that to be very largely my fault, for not setting out arguments that people feel are worth responding to on their merits alone."Matt Wardmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04326720801362744582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post-89802135330044521472008-07-15T15:55:00.000+01:002008-07-15T15:55:00.000+01:00Why doesn't stick a Freedom of Information request...Why doesn't stick a Freedom of Information request in to the Welsh Assembly Government? Simple.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post-611805484474824852008-07-14T14:40:00.000+01:002008-07-14T14:40:00.000+01:00People were talking about this in the staff cantee...People were talking about this in the staff canteen. No one seems to know exactly what went on as I keep on hearing different stories. Some say he blogged at work and others say he was made an example of, to stop others from doing the same.<BR/><BR/>If we knew the division he worked in the truth will come out. I should think his former colleagues know the reason.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post-56278219725301608942008-07-14T13:54:00.000+01:002008-07-14T13:54:00.000+01:00So u think Normal Mouth is a civil servant who has...So u think Normal Mouth is a civil servant who has jumped in case he gets sacked.<BR/>I thought he worked for Leighton Andrewsor Chris Bryant in RCT - didnt he say he was elnlish and worked in RCT with a political connectionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post-43524102458623265072008-07-14T13:39:00.000+01:002008-07-14T13:39:00.000+01:00Rumour has it that Civil Serf wasn't sacked. For E...Rumour has it that Civil Serf wasn't sacked. For ENGLAND, DO NOT see WALES.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post-43730737418965294252008-07-13T23:27:00.000+01:002008-07-13T23:27:00.000+01:00"I do not know all the facts but it seems that he ..."I do not know all the facts but it seems that he was very harshly treated. There should be no problem with civil servant blogging provided they meet the current guidance. i.e. they do so under their own name and do not compromise their position at work"<BR/><BR/>Christopher Glamorganshire and Civil Serf blogged before the current guidance was set up. Glamorganshire was sacked last year. No one knows what happened to Civil Serf this year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post-47416774101133541872008-07-13T23:24:00.000+01:002008-07-13T23:24:00.000+01:00"And now of course normal mouth has gone!"I'm sure..."And now of course normal mouth has gone!"<BR/><BR/>I'm sure there's no connection.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post-67589098019132762962008-07-13T22:05:00.000+01:002008-07-13T22:05:00.000+01:00And now of course normal mouth has gone!And now of course normal mouth has gone!Oscarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08023653041693280489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post-40668182183907546922008-07-13T20:13:00.000+01:002008-07-13T20:13:00.000+01:00Having a blogger as a Cabinet Minister has led to ...Having a blogger as a Cabinet Minister has led to some unlooked for public goods. One of them is the particularly useful and laconic guidelines for civil servants who want to blog. Good man Tom Watson!<BR/><BR/>Maybe he would have a word or two with his counterparts in Wales, who work under similar, but much more complicated rules, and don't have the same quality of political leadership on the matter<BR/><BR/>http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/mick_fealty/blog/2008/07/11/in_wales_they_sack_bloggers_dont_theyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post-5581345297353553522008-07-13T00:35:00.000+01:002008-07-13T00:35:00.000+01:00"Peter, don't be an arse. Either you talk about bl..."Peter, don't be an arse. Either you talk about blogging or you don't. You can't pick and choose the situation."<BR/><BR/>Sorry, we appear to be talking at cross purposes. I understood that I was being asked why I did not have a say on the disciplinary situation and responded accordingly. If you want my opinion on Christopher Glamorganshire I am happy to give it. <BR/><BR/>I do not know all the facts but it seems that he was very harshly treated. There should be no problem with civil servant blogging provided they meet the current guidance. i.e. they do so under their own name and do not compromise their position at work. That is a personal view.Peter Blackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16370260756872929021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post-19424589636312348402008-07-13T00:19:00.000+01:002008-07-13T00:19:00.000+01:00Ideally, Marcus Warner would talk about his perspe...Ideally, Marcus Warner would talk about his perspective to give us some idea as to what's going on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post-25191537387958545512008-07-13T00:15:00.000+01:002008-07-13T00:15:00.000+01:00Peter, don't be an arse. Either you talk about blo...Peter, don't be an arse. Either you talk about blogging or you don't. You can't pick and choose the situation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post-862249162706233772008-07-12T22:23:00.000+01:002008-07-12T22:23:00.000+01:00that's a bit 'middle of the road' Peterthat's a bit 'middle of the road' PeterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post-22926322624600989572008-07-12T21:50:00.000+01:002008-07-12T21:50:00.000+01:00England and Wales - miles apart in approach and en...England and Wales - miles apart in approach and enlightenment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post-40936322337102720242008-07-12T21:49:00.000+01:002008-07-12T21:49:00.000+01:00Englang and Wales - miles aoart in approach and en...Englang and Wales - miles aoart in approach and enlightenment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post-5284700225307505072008-07-12T15:12:00.000+01:002008-07-12T15:12:00.000+01:00"Why wasn't Peter Black asked for his opinion? Isn..."Why wasn't Peter Black asked for his opinion? Isn't he the Welsh blogfather?"<BR/><BR/>Er..no, what is a blogfather? I was not asked my opinion as (a) these are not matters for elected representatives. They are dealt with according to the civil service code by civil servants with no political input; and (b) I am an Assembly member and a member of the Assembly Commission. From the reports Christopher Glamorganshire worked for the Welsh Assembly Government which is quite separate.<BR/><BR/>"Peter Black if I remember was outspoken against Huw Lewis and Leighton Andrews on AMs blogging."<BR/><BR/>What does this mean. I have always encouraged other AMs to blog, even Leighton Andrews!Peter Blackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16370260756872929021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post-41392584783654497812008-07-12T06:29:00.000+01:002008-07-12T06:29:00.000+01:00Hey! Someone just visited my blog from yours and a...Hey! Someone just visited my blog from yours and asked if I knew anything about this. :-) I don't, but I really like your coverage of it in this post. <BR/><BR/>Sadly, here in the U.S., a lot of people get fired from their jobs for blogging too, often for completely innocent blogs. I know one person a few years back who was warned to stop blogging "or else."<BR/><BR/>If his blog really is neutral like they say, the sacking was truly an extreme overreaction. Very sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post-36968918573495423992008-07-12T00:48:00.000+01:002008-07-12T00:48:00.000+01:00As Matt Wardman has said:The interesting angle for...As Matt Wardman has said:<BR/><BR/>The interesting angle for me is the difference in approach between England and Wales.<BR/><BR/>After Civil Serf, they started talking to bloggers on this side of the border.<BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/58xb8zAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post-70310279549152656682008-07-11T09:03:00.000+01:002008-07-11T09:03:00.000+01:00We should start a Facebook group. Bringing justice...We should start a Facebook group. Bringing justice to the Welsh Assembly Government. Protect the Welsh 1 from the nasty corporate machine :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post-86707299519951813862008-07-11T08:48:00.000+01:002008-07-11T08:48:00.000+01:00I agree Miss W. Can't remember reading that he was...I agree Miss W. Can't remember reading that he was sacked for blogging at work. People have done far worse and not been sacked. Have these people not read the papers lately?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post-4773672059286628812008-07-11T08:26:00.000+01:002008-07-11T08:26:00.000+01:00P.S. I did spend a considerable amount of time in ...P.S. I did spend a considerable amount of time in human resources (not in the Assembly, before you ask).Miss Wagstaffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02989441538649127324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post-25838908383635340172008-07-11T08:24:00.000+01:002008-07-11T08:24:00.000+01:00Some of you were up very late last night. Couldn't...Some of you were up very late last night. Couldn't you sleep?<BR/><BR/>We have to remember that an Assembly Government spokesman said:<BR/><BR/>"This issue regards a former Welsh Assembly Government employee who was dismissed for activities related to the Glamorganshire Blog that contravened the Civil Service Code."<BR/><BR/>Nothing actually to do with blogging at work. By the way, the Civil Service Code is available online.<BR/><BR/>I have to agree with Anonymous 00:44 as they make a very good point. So do many others.Miss Wagstaffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02989441538649127324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post-77197521690632243932008-07-11T01:31:00.000+01:002008-07-11T01:31:00.000+01:00Good blog or not, it was a bit stupid to do it fro...Good blog or not, it was a bit stupid to do it from work..... outside I'm sure it wouldn't have been raised, but to be sat at your desk supposedly being paid to work and writing a blog, come on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post-17595673037293819972008-07-11T00:44:00.000+01:002008-07-11T00:44:00.000+01:00Having experience in these matters, a member of st...Having experience in these matters, a member of staff wouldn't be dismissed for "blogging in work" as you put it. It would be a disciplinary offence, but not resulting in dismissal. Unless ofcourse he was on probation such as in the first year of a contract.<BR/><BR/>We either haven't been told all the facts, or he was simply dismissed for blogging as suggested in the Western Mail.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7274304154981222075.post-81032526244816777582008-07-11T00:37:00.000+01:002008-07-11T00:37:00.000+01:00Anonymous 00:23You sound like you know who he is. ...Anonymous 00:23<BR/><BR/>You sound like you know who he is. Are you in human resources?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com