Self-appointed Lord Protector speaks out (yet again)
It seems the Lord Elis-Thomas [Lord Protector] in an effort to get back in the news, can't help himself - yet again - when it comes to his 'position' in the National Assembly and Wales.
Elis-Thomas - in HIS latest political stunt - states that the role of the Prince of Wales should be redefined. He has questioned whether the Prince of Wales title was relevant to the "constitutional development" of 21st Century Wales. Elis-Thomas is no stranger when it comes to ceremony, including his own procession before each Assembly, and the renowned hypocrite should know better.
He also said there should never again be an investiture ceremony like the grand one for Prince Charles at Caernarfon Castle in 1969. But a historian has said a future event could bring global attention to Wales.
In my opinion we have to accept certain arguments and facts. That being - our monarchy, or monarchy itself, is popular in the United Kingdom, and that happens to include Wales.In an interview for BBC Wales' Dragon's Eye, Lord Elis-Thomas praised Prince Charles as "Cymrophile" [a desperate bid for more baubles in due course] but said "all constitutional conventions require a bit of refurbishment and re-examination".
He said he would argue that the title of the Prince of Wales was no longer relevant to the constitutional development of Wales in the 21st Century "...because the constitutional development has shifted to Wales' own institutions and obviously to the first minister and to devolved government in the National Assembly itself," he said.
"I haven't discussed this directly with the Royal Family and it's not my place to do that but if they were to ask me what should happen I would say that the role of the prince needs to be redefined if that title is to be continued."
But John Ellis, associate professor of British history at the University of Michigan, Flint, who has written a book on the 1911 and 1969 investitures, said the latter event was the most globally recognised event in Welsh history with television coverage across the world. "This was a huge event, that projected Wales across the world. Wales hasn't had a very high-profile image and I do think it did succeed in that aspect," he said.He added there were risks attached to any future investiture, but said he could imagine it as an opportunity to promote Wales like in 1969 particularly with the worldwide media attention Prince William attracts. "I can definitely see how events like the investiture could put Wales back on the map like in 1969 but I do think it would invite a certain amount of controversy and debate," he added
I happen to think that it works well for us, and can't foresee the idea of monarchy dwindling in popularity in the near future, or in my lifetime for that matter.
Prince Charles, the current Prince of Wales has his critics [don't we all], but is well-liked and has done some remarkable work through the Prince's Trust and its constituent organisations. His son, Prince William, will undoubtedly outshine his father in the popularity stakes and will be a great asset for Wales when his time comes to take on the role of Prince of Wales.
As long as you are a person, objective in nature (and not a republican for that matter), it would be difficult not to come to this conclusion. Unless you come to the ridiculous conclusion that the office is a symbol of our oppression and shouldn't be part of a modern Wales, with its shiny new symbol of clear-glass-democracy down the bay [yawn].
Wales, and its institutions will be stupefyingly ignorant to think that Prince William's tenure will not benefit Wales, particularly on the world stage. Whether you agree or not with the idea of monarchy, or the role of Prince of Wales, you have to agree that it is a position that would obtain instant recognition in the world, and can only do more good than harm for our reputation, and also providing a unique marketing strategy. The National Assembly and Assembly Government simply haven't made best use of this since its inception. Those, republican in nature, should simply put aside their issues of 'class equality' and chatter of 'monarchical primacy' for the good of Wales.
We shouldn't be naive on this and cut off our noses to spite our face. Embrace our past and its rich and sometimes controversial history; embrace the popularity of our institutions and certain members of the royal family; and make them blend well with the constitutional development of Wales for the benefit of Wales.
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Excellent piece Pips. Putting Wales on the map and selling it to a worldwide captive audience, instead of time wasting on republican beliefs.
His lordships ego is too big for Wales. He's a small fish in Westminster and a big fish in Wales.
We'll have to check his size when he's dumped as Presiding Officer.
Courting controversy Miss W. Most Welsh bloggers are anti unionist.
I have nothing against the royal family but we do need to be more democratic. An elected head of state is the only way forward for us as a nation.
So President Kinnock it is for Wales!!!!!!!!!!!
Miss Wagstaff, were you having a chat with Prof Dylan Jones-Evans on the Politics Show today?
Miss Wagstaff is Felicity Evans!
There's some very serious confusion here:
1 - being a monarchist (as I think probably less than 1/2 of th epopulation of Wwles is) is different from being pro-Indepedence, and there is no connection between being unionist and being pro-monarchy. To make that assumption is either stupid or deceitful. . The dim-wit Andrew RT Davies got it seriously confused, as so you seem to be doing.
2 - Elis-Thomas is elected, the monarchy ain;t. Your vitriolic posters seem to forget that democracy involves dealing with opinions you disagree with.
3 - this used to be a modertaly mischievous blog and entertaining to boot. Lately it's become a very poor on-message slavish Tory-defence blog, and as such has lost its clout.
I don't understand why you think I have confused the issues you mention. As for the comments - People have different views to yourself, or the same, and all to a certain degree. We have to accept that.
"this used to be a modertaly mischievous blog and entertaining to boot. Lately it's become a very poor on-message slavish Tory-defence blog, and as such has lost its clout."
You mean to say that because I don't represent your views 100% of the time then I must be a Tory-defence blog. Priceless.
Anonymous 12:54
I just don't know who I am any more, particularly after what Kairdiff (West) Kid has said ;)
Welsh Ramblings also thinks you're a Tory blogger. No worries though as the blog also predicts that Mike German will stay on.
Kairdiff (West) Kid uses the word probably in his argument. Less than half the population of Wales may be monarchist, however, monarchist is too strong a word.
I'd say the majority of Wales supports QEII, her role and the work she does. A large portion of them wouldn't describe themselves as monarchist though.
Ellis Thomas is no Oliver Cromwell!
Looks like Ordovicius and his stooge Kairdiff Kid have also attacked you on his blog.
You must be having a hissy fit at the level of their intellectual output.
Talking of which. Why don't you try to write several posts a day consisting of one liners that are pointless rather than point score, or has Ordovicius cornered the market?
The kairdiff kid is Ordovicius. It's so obvious and sad.
P.S. he's peeved that you got two mentions in his silly blog awards and he didn't get a sniff. Ha ha.
Have you seen his laughable and wishful thinking post on a recent survey?
A total of 2,538 people across Wales were questioned for the research, a poll on public attitudes to devolution.
That settles it, Independence it is NOT
Dafydd Elis-Thomas needs to be brought down a peg or two and reminded of the purpose of part of his role:
promoting democratic engagement, leadership, developing the Assembly’s future legislative powers and external relations
This doesn't include stiring up debate on the nationalist agenda. He's entitled to do this as a Plaid AM, not as Presiding Officer. He can't have his cake and eat it.
The kairdiff kid is Ordovicius. It's so obvious and sad.
You wish!
Never hid my identity or commented under another name, never will.
No monachisr here , no supporter of so called nationalists who take the Queens shilling
Charles is ok he tries his best , but I do not recognise that he is Prince of Wales or a future King
Time for a rethink on the whole constitutional mess , and no I am not Pippa, felicity or a Tory , not a Plaidy Labour or Lib Dem either
wheres Johnny when you need him lol
Apart from the Tory Voting, Union Jack Hat wearing rabid Monarchists, Most of Wales can't wait to see the back of the Royal Family, They serve no purpose in the 21st Century, When the Current Queen Of England Dies, That should be the END of this sick Charade - In Wales at any rate. Does Wales want a King Charles & Queen Camilla? I think NOT! - NO more than we want a Prince Of Wales in William who at a WALES V ENGLAND Rugby Match wore a England Shirt and was cheering for the English!
Ah, a true to form Welsh Nationalist has joined the conversation. We'll keep a welcome in the hillside.
Ah, a true to form Welsh Nationalist has joined the conversation. We'll keep a welcome in the hillside.
Seriously, how many Monarchists are there in your family, in your workplace, and among the people and passers by you meet on a daily basis here in Wales? Work it out for yourself. It isn't rocket science.
Arty's words sum it up well enough. The majority of people in Wales would consider themselves to be in the like having them but not monarchist category.
"Kairdiff (West) Kid uses the word probably in his argument. Less than half the population of Wales may be monarchist, however, monarchist is too strong a word.
I'd say the majority of Wales supports QEII, her role and the work she does. A large portion of them wouldn't describe themselves as monarchist though."
I'd say the majority of Wales supports QEII,
I'd say the majority are indifferent, and if anything resent the Royalty.
Ordovicius we will have to agree to differ. It will only be settled by public vote. We'll never get that as we can't seem to find a date for a referendum never mind anything else.
Ordovicius thinks (in his post on the subject) that you're defending Andrew RT Davies. Having read your post that's not what you're saying at all.
The man's an arse. Both of them.
I tend not to answer critics of me that have been made on other blogs, only those that are made to me directly on here - only have so many hours in the day :)
This post is basically about the role that Dafydd Elis-Thomas plays. The fact that he uses the platform of Presiding Officer as a pulpit to push the Nationalist agenda when he shouldn't; the useful role the Monarchy/Prince of Wales plays in the United Kingdom/Wales; and that Prince William has the potential to become a highly popular Prince of Wales in due course, and that our institutions should work together with the 'Office' to make this of great benefit to Wales in the world.
There are many arguments for and against, which I haven't gone in to as I wanted to keep this post relatively short. We should concentrate on the many positives and not on the few negatives.
Needless to say, we are all aware that Dafydd has used this opportunistic moment to play down the role of Prince of Wales as it suits his cause.
Ordovicius thinks (in his post on the subject) that you're defending Andrew RT Davies. Having read your post that's not what you're saying at all.
The man's an arse.
Ahem. I note that Pippa attacks DET and NEGLECTS to mention ARTD as well echoing ARTD's views. Fact.
So who's an arse now, chump?
We should concentrate on the many positives and not on the few negatives.
LOL "We should concentrate on what I like, not on what others dislike"
Ordovicius says "Ahem. I note that Pippa attacks DET and NEGLECTS to mention ARTD as well echoing ARTD's views. Fact."
In your opinion. That's freedom of speech. The rest of us will make up our own minds.
In your opinion.
(yawn)
for another view ...
http://british-nats-watch.blogspot.com/
Brits Nats Watch need the readers to their limited, uneducated outlook. They haven't even got the decency to sign in when trawling the blogs.
Why is Pippa a tory? There are sections of Labour that attack each other and those in Plaid which don't like the way the party is going.
I can't even remember a time when this blog attacked a lib dem.
The typical chant of Labour and Plaid in Wales... TORY TORY TORY TORY TORY!!!!!!!!
Pointing the finger and grunting at the same time.
I think its more to do with the fact this blog was so outraged that anyone would dare say anything against the monarchy, the fact it claimed outrage against seb coe telling wales to f**k off was because he is a tory, the fact that very little was posted on nick bourne's doggy dossier - other than supporting it and the fact that Alun Cairns racism hardly registered, is the reason why people think - more than rightly so - that it is a tory mouth piece.
"Tory Mouth Piece"
Those nationalists and labour luvvies don't like any criticism. Can't handle it. Never have been able to.
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